AKA “reverse racism doesn’t exist” people.
If a white person lives in an area where white people are a minority, and they experience discrimination based solely on their race, is that still considered not-racist?
Please, tell me. I’d love to know.
Racism is more commonly framing discrimination due to patriarchal white society.
White people can still face discrimination.
Did that help?
This is my interpretation of the academic explanation for why “Reverse Racism” cannot exist in the United States.
First, an obvious statement: Racial Discrimination against White People exists, is unacceptable, and should always be fought against.
However, “Reverse Racism” against White People does not exist in the context of the United States. The reason being:
When a white person racially discriminates against a person of color, they do so with the full backing of centuries of socially constructed and institutionally supported power. More importantly, the person of color on the other end is NOT defended by institutional or social power.
When a person of color racially discriminates against a white person, they do so WITHOUT the full backing of centuries of socially constructed and institutionally supported power. More importantly, the white person on the other end IS defended by the full spectrum of institutional and dominant narrative emotional/social support.
Therefore, the act of “Person of Color Racially Discriminating Against White Person” is not equal to, and thus not the “Reverse” of, “White Person Racially Discriminating Against Person of Color”.
You only need to look at hundreds of studies and statistics to see that this pattern persists today. Black CEO’s can individually discriminate against white folks, but there are so many White CEO’s that such Person of Color->White Person racial discrimination is inconsequential compared to the racism that White CEO’s can exert if they are racist.
As to the specific example: Again, my interpretation of the academic refutation of “reverse racism” is on the macro scale.
If a white person is a minority in a community, firstly they are likely to be supported by their probably white teachers, their probably white law enforcement, and their probably white lawmakers. On a broader level, a white person who is a minority needs to look no further than their television to be comforted by whiteness and a feeling of belonging and included-ness in a widespread culture. On an even broader level, if relocation is an option, it is not difficult to find a more predominantly white community (non-Hispanice white population stands at 63.7%).
This is of course juxtaposed with a person of color who is a minority in a community, where they are far less likely to find people like them in their education system, law enforcement, and lawmakers. Where if they look to their television they will see people who do not look like them; or the people who do look them are always playing secondary or tokenized and stereotyped roles. And if they could relocate, it would still be fairly difficult to find a suitable ethnoburb to have a significant level of ethnic presence and belonging-ness.
Is not perfect. It doesn’t solve root issues. It doesn’t even help students of color as much as one would wish it did.
But I still support it. Because supporting Affirmative Action means more than just admissions policies. It means recognizing, acknowledging, and acting on a continuing glaring disparity in the demographics of who has privilege and access to higher education. It means seeing and challenging the racism still embedded in the institution.
During the weekend I watched a video of the Asch Experiment performed more recently.
The Asch experiment is a psychology of conformity experiment, where a group of people, all plants expect for one unknowing subject of the experiment, are brought into a room. An experimenter shows an image with 5 vertical lines of varying height, two of which are obviously the same height. The participants are asked to say which two lines are the same height. In the experiment, the plants all agree on two lines that are most definitely not the same height. The subject of the experiment is left with a difficult choice: Say out loud the obviously correct answer but go against the crowd, or Conform to the crowd and deny the obviously correct answer.
In the short clip I watched, the first person, a woman of color, stayed firm, everytime choosing to go against the rest of the group and say what she knew was right. But in the following interview, she did note that she felt very uncomfortable going against the group, even though she was right every time.
The second person, a man, at first was very confident in his answers, but by the fifth image, was growing tired and began to doubt himself more and more. Finally, he gave in, and went along with the group even though it was obviously the wrong answer.
I found the video haunting and terrifying. These people, so obviously correct and confident in themselves at first, beaten down and even giving up on the truth and their values by the sheer social pressure of those around them. But this is more than just an individual conformity situation. I connected this to society’s constant oppression of marginalized people.
This experiment showed on an individual level what entire communities of color, or women, or the lgbtq community, or the differently abled community, or immigrant community, etc, face every single day. The internalized oppression and self hate that these marginalized communities have shoved down their throats or unconsciously absorb from socialization.
People of color know, in their hearts, that they are not inferior, that they are just as capable of achievement as any other person. But when you see communities of color devastated by “educators” who tell young people of color that they won’t succeed, educators who don’t recommend young people of color for honors tracks, that is where self-hate and internalized oppression comes from.
From the things I’ve learned, it is a daily struggle for people in marginalized communities to refute, not only to others but to themselves, these messages of other-ness and inferiority. Having to prove, everyday, that you are not the negative stereotypes that society imposes on you.
Take a facet of crime, and then look at television shows/movies that feature those criminals as protagonists.
White serial killers.
White political corruption
White drug dealers
I mostly want to talk about this as a TV phenomenon, but pick a crime, any crime, and Western media has probably made a movie/TV series/play/etc. with a white person that romanticizes the criminal activity. No matter what, a white person can do whatever terrible crimes and still have a TV/movie fanbase that loves them.
When you see black or brown people committing crimes on screen, you are to see them thugs and criminal masterminds and people to be beat down.
When you see white people committing crimes on screen, you see a three-dimensional portrait of why someone might commit that crime, how criminals are people too, and how you should even love them for the crimes that they commit because they’re just providing for their families or they’ve wronged or they’re just people and not perfect. This is particularly a luxury given to white male characters, since there few white female criminals as protagonists.
If and of the above shows were about black or brown folks, there would be a backlash of (white) people claiming that TV and movies are romanticizing criminals and are treating them too much like heroes and that it will affect viewers and encourage violence and “thuggish” behavior. And yet fictional white criminals get to have a deep fanbase who loves these white criminals, receive accolades and awards, get called amazing television that portray the complexities of human nature. Viewers of these characters see past the atrocious crimes and into their humanity, a luxury that white characters always have while characters of color rarely do. The closest that mainstream TV has come to showing black criminals as main characters is probably The Wire, and even then, the criminals share equal screen time and equal status as main characters as the police trying to stop them.
The idea that crime can be so heavily romanticized and glorified to such a degree is undoubtedly a privilege given to white characters. The next time you hear someone talk about Dexter Morgan or Walter White in a positive way, it may be an opportunity to rethink how white people can always able to be seen as people no matter what they do, while everyone else can be boiled down to nothing but a criminal.
YES. This is spot the fuck on.
My mind just imploded.
bell hooks (via wretchedoftheearth)
During the 1990s, Bill Clinton bragged about “ending welfare as we know it”, triggering a spike in dire poverty and homelessness, among single mothers in particular. Clinton also exploded the prison population with mandatory minimums and prison privatization, beginning the ongoing trend of mass incarcerating women, including application of the death penalty. Many liberals, including feminists, applauded these “centrist” measures at the time and have continued to remain silent on their devastating impact.
(Original Ask: It won’t let me respond so I’ll respond on here. I would like to ask how seeing everybody as people instead of different colors of skin benefits anybody? When I look at somebody I see a person, not a color. I see somebody that could have a different culture than my own. Somebody who could have a rich history. There shouldn’t be a black history month or a white history month or an history month solely based on color of skin. We should learn about different cultures and backgrounds. Not stereotyping based on color of skin. I will agree that the majority of power placed in this country still focuses on white people. Do I personally think it’s right? Absolutely not. No one race should be thought of better than the other. Like I said, we’re all people. People with different backgrounds and history which should be celebrated and taught about. But still people.)
I think it’s great that you recognize that power and the dominant narrative are still focused on white people, and that you don’t think it’s right. I also appreciate that you see and celebrate different backgrounds and histories. I choose to respond strongly to “I am colorblind, I don’t see color”, because it is a common excuse to deflect interrogation and dialogue about issues that are racially based or flat-out racist. Asking for “Colorblindness” asks for maintaining harmonious and equitable relations in a context of continuing inequality and injustice. It absolves the oppressive crimes of dominant groups against marginalized groups for the sake of harmony, a false peace that only the dominant group truly benefits from, because the marginalized groups will continue to experience inequality.
Yes, I agree that we are all people, we are one race, color shouldn’t matter. But I subscribe to the sociological theory of Socialization, that we are taught to see race/color from a young age, and that it is impossible to not see race/color even for the most passionate anti-racist activists. And until African American history and Native American history and Asian American history etc are fully woven into the dominant narrative of this country and its history books, I think that those kinds of months are warranted to remind us of how much further we need to go. Then we can start talking about being colorblind.
The Morgan Freeman interview in particular, when it came out, was this magical video of a famous black person saying we don’t need Black History Month, and a lot of people with questionable intentions were gleeful about it because it somehow proved that racism is over (it’s obviously not).
At the top of the hierarchy, the Feudal Lord, the Chancellor. Up in clouds of authority, unaware, or purposefully unaware, of the suffering below.
Serving the Lord are Treasurers, Vice Chancellors, counting and distributing the fiefdom’s money.
They sit and watch with amusement as the Nobility, the Deans, squabble over who should get the most money, who should have the most prestigious and well funded school.
All the while, the Clergy, the Faculty members, sit in their untouchable safe haven of academia, with the sole purpose of getting the Peasants and Craftsmen in and out of their convert system as fast as possible. Of course, you have to pay a fee to be converted and have your soul saved though, through a piece of paper acknowledging your payment.
The Craftsmen, the Graduate Students. On the lower rungs of the ladder, but offered marginal benefits for their skilled labor.
The chosen representatives of the Peasants, the Student Governments, given little to no actual power, are tasked with keeping the Peasants happy by throwing festivals. The authorities will never remind the representatives that their actual duty is to protect the Peasants and advocate on their behalf.
And ah, the Peasants. Working every day, doing what they can to get by. Paying their tithes to the Feudal Lord. Milked dry of their money and time, to fill the coffers of the fiefdom.
They are the people who make the fiefdom possible. Yet they are treated the worst, and receive the least for what they give. The upper authorities don’t care about the Peasants, we are just each another $50,000 number to them. The faster they can get our money, the better. The more then can get us to overpay for Summer Session, the better. But of course, we don’t have much of a choice. We work and pay our tithes because we need to survive, and because we believe that the system works for us. But we also think that we don’t have power over those above us. We think that it’s easier to just pay the fees and get our salvation through a piece of paper. We don’t imagine, we don’t envision, a better world, a world where we might actually be respected as human beings seeking a future. We don’t realize the power we have. We don’t realize that if the Peasants stopped paying their tithes, the Feudal Lord will have no money and no power. But we’ll likely never do that, because we are trained to be docile and passive.
It is very unfortunate.
I reblogged a response to a comment that was highly problematic. In summary, the comment claimed that Asian Americans did not support the struggles of other people of color in the past, and because of this, Asian Americans can’t complain about issues of racism and marginalization that affect their communities. The comment even said that Asian Americans are not POC. The response was an overview of various significant (but largely mainstream unknown) facts about how the APIA experience is actually one of immense struggle and cross-racial solidarity and that Asian Americans are POC.
This is a very sensitive and important issue in regards to progressive action against structural racism and how people form coalitions/solidarity movements. The myth of the apathetic and model minority Asian American who throws other POC under the bus is a visible stereotype is fairly widespread, to my understanding (I could be wrong).
Hit Read More at your discretion. Some heated words.
Green Onion <firstname.lastname@example.org> (unregistered) wrote:
Where were Asians when California Indians had bounties placed on them (scalp collecting) and were being slaughtered to collect said bounties that were tabulated based on age and sex? Where were the majority of Asians when the Civil Rights era was in full swing with the majority of POC (Asians are not POC) participating? Why do a lot of Asians tout their own superiority in this racial hierarchy to degrade other non-Caucasian groups and revel in it as well as basking in the idea of the model minority, going so far as to present IQ scores as their model of achieving what other groups couldn’t (due to having a different history in the States)? Face it, Asians brought it on themselves and expect others to sympathize? ROFL
IP address: 18.104.22.168
This uneducated racist douchebag just thought it was a smart idea to post this as a comment. Seeing as I am a contributor for an upcoming anthology and am unbelievably busy working on my entries, I don’t have time to write a comprehensive history of Asian cross-racial alliances within the United States.
Though here’s a few points to consider.
I could keep going but I don’t have time or the patience right now. Next time you want to be a racist douchebag, you might want to think twice about using your home computer, seeing as that sure is your IP address posted right there, along with your email address, for everyone to see. I might add that my blog is searchable by Google and anyone who does a search of your email will find this incredibly anti-Asian, racist comment you so thoughtfully decided to post on a blog with literally hundreds of followers.
- Asians did not really begin arriving in the United States until 1850. The group, predominately Chinese, largely could not speak English, and did not understand the political climate of the United States and immediately were targets from the beginning to hate crimes and legally institutionalized forms of segregation, exclusion, discrimination, etc.
- Starting in 1854, a series of laws were passed that determined that Chinese were aliens in the country; could not become citizens due to being too “different”; had no rights to own land; could not testify in court; were taxed more than any other miners, black or white; could not marry outside of their race (an issue considering the fact that the Page Act of 1875 banned all Chinese women entrance into the country to prevent Chinese from procreation, which has been argued by many scholars as a form of genocide, creating the first bachelor society in the United States); were taxed based on the amount of air they were allowed to breathe in San Francisco; were driven out and forcibly deported; could not apply for business licenses; were taxed based on pole lengths (Chinese carried buckets and heavy packages on poles they held on their shoulders); were not allowed to vote; were segregated and forced into ghettos; were lynched and massacred by white folks on a regular basis; could not enter white-only establishments — so on and so forth. This culminated with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, where NO Chinese were allowed entry into the United States. In 1917, the act expanded to include ALL of the “Asiatic races.” It was not until 1942 that this was overturned, and only then it was with a very small quota of approximately 100 immigrants per year, compared with the thousands of immigrants from Europe and other parts of the world. This changed in the 1960s when the quotas were lifted.
- During the infamous Plessy v. Ferguson case, which, if you do not know, means you know nothing at all about racial history and politics in the United States, Justice John Marshall Harlan argued against racial segregation only by invoking the “Oriental.” This is what he said: “There is a race so different from our own, that we do not permit those persons belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race.” And you were saying about Asians not being POC?
- Japanese Internment. Concentration camps in the United States of all Japanese on the West Coast and in Hawaii. ‘nuff said.
- There is a long and VERY RICH history of Afro-Asian solidarity that has been going on since the Bandung Conference of 1955. To the degree that figures such as Richard Wright, Malcolm X, W.E.B. Du Bois, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Huey Newton amongst others, have all spoken rather emphatically about the importance of Afro-Asian alliances that not only are generated domestically but also transnationally, as demonstrated by the way many black figures during this period romanticized Mao and China in general as a potential post-racial fantasy. (Du Bois, Newton, and Wright all spent time in China.) In response, Mao Tze-Tung even issued two major proclamations supporting the Civil Rights Movement. Domestically, there has also been a very rich history that I am not going to bother to cover here in depth, seeing as you most likely don’t really care to learn anyway. Though if there’s a slight chance you might actually care to be blown away by history: Afro-Asia ed. Fred Ho and Bill Mullen; Afro Orientalism by Bill Mullen; Blacks and Asians ed. Hazel M. McFerson; Orientals by Robert Lee; Everybody Was Kung-Fu Fighting by Vijay Prashad; AfroAsian Encounters Ed. Heike Raphael-Hernandez and Shannon Steen
- Richard Aoki, one of the FOUNDING FIGURES OF, oh that’s right, just a small, completely unimportant organization known as the Black Panther Party. In fact, Bobby Seale credits Aoki for providing him with much of the philosophy that served as the foundation to the Party and for introducing him to Mao’s work. Oh gee, this just so happened to occur during the Civil Rights Movement.
- Yuki Kochiyama, one of Malcolm X’s most trusted disciples to the degree that he literally died with his head in her lap. She also, during the Civil Rights Movement, worked feverishly to get prisoners released and was instrumental in the movement.
- Grace Lee Boggs, another major Civil Rights Activist who worked with Malcolm X and had even wanted him to run for president.
Props to Colorblinding for taking the time to pwn that asshole. It saddens me to hear non-Asian POC attack Asians under the guise of attacking power when those attacks are actually the result of xenophobia and a bullshit belief in American exceptionalism.